I don't really have over 2100 fourth cousins--let alone that many who have tested at Ancestry |
Many of my known relatives have tested. So let's take a look at both the amounts of shared DNA I have with each of these individuals as well as the longest segment I share with each.
Name | Actual Relationship | Shared cM | Longest Segment | Comments |
---|---|---|---|---|
Sonia | Grandmother | 1325 | 219 | |
Sid | Uncle | 1959 | 193 | |
Eddie | Uncle | 1849 | 143 | |
Ruth | Great Aunt | 1004 | 96 | |
Karen | 1C1R | 461 | 44 | |
Sandy (Karen's 2C) |
2C1R | 164 | 22 | |
Scott | 1C1R | 686 | 61 | |
George | 1C2R | 308 |
40 | |
Mitzi (George's 1C) |
1C2R | 354 |
46 | |
Ina (Mitzi's & George's 1/2 1C) |
Half 1C2R | 209 | 73 | |
Ken | 2C2R | 175 | 57 | |
Myron (2nd cousin to Ken; 1/2 second cousin to Sue) |
2C2R | 108 | 16 | |
Marilyn (1st cousin to Myron; 2nd cousin to Ken; 1/2 second cousin to Sue) |
2C2R | 104 | 21 | |
Sara (Myron's niece) |
3C1R | 89 | 16 | |
Sue (1/2 second cousin to Ken, Marilyn and Myron) |
Half 2C2R | 104 | 21 | |
Beth | 2C1R | 232 | 45 | 2 AJ grandparents |
Dave (Beth's nephew) |
3C | 281 | 57 | 1 AJ grandparent |
Liz (Beth's niece; Dave's 1C) |
3C | 110 | 19 | 1 AJ grandparent |
Elise | 3C1R | 142 | 27 | |
Judith | 3C1R | 193 | 29 | |
Jonathan (Judith's son) | 4C | 182 | 29 | |
Esther (Judith's sister) |
3C1R | 166 | 29 | |
Pat | 2C1R | 118 | 23 | |
Ben | 3C, 4C | 101 | 13 | Has 2 Supkoff great grandparents |
Howard | 4C | 41 | 9 | 50% AJ |
Table Showing Actual & Genetic Relationships Between Myself and Known Relatives
Most of these known relatives--even someone as distant as my fourth cousin Jonathan--share at least one reasonably large segment with me; some share more than one. So looking at the longest segment one has in common with one's matches can be a good strategy to identify people who may actually be relatively closely related. Twenty or more cM seems to be a decent benchmark to warrant further investigation.However, there are a few people here who wouldn't have been found using this strategy--people like Ben, Howard, Myron and Sara. All happen to be related on my mother's side--so I took a look at how much each shares with my mother's brother Eddie and their first cousin Karen--who not only are one generation closer to each person than I am, but who also would have inherited different DNA than my mother did:
Name | Actual Relationship | Shared cM | Longest Segment | Comments |
---|---|---|---|---|
Myron | 2C1R | 231 | 49 | |
Sara | 3C | 161 | 23 | |
Ben | 2C1R, 3C1R | 146 | 17 | |
Howard | 3C1R | 86 | 12 | 50% AJ |
Table Showing Actual & Genetic Relationships Between Uncle Eddie and Known Relatives
Eddie shares a significant segment with Myron and a reasonably-sized one with Sara--enough to make me start investigating if I hadn't known them before. Ben and Howard are a bit better but not much. How about if I look at Karen?Name | Actual Relationship | Shared cM | Longest Segment | Comments |
---|---|---|---|---|
Myron | 2C1R | 161 | 29 | |
Sara | 3C | 125 | 20 | |
Ben | 2C1R, 3C1R | 149 | 30 | |
Howard | 3C1R | 130 | 43 | 50% AJ |
Table Showing Actual & Genetic Relationships Between Uncle Eddie and Known Relatives
My mother's first cousin Karen has large shared segments with these 4 individuals--in particular Howard, with whom Eddie & I didn't share much at all.So while looking at largest shared segments is a reasonable strategy for identifying relatives, there may be some actual relatives who are missed; however that can be tempered by also looking at longest segments shared with known relatives.
In an upcoming post I'll discuss how contacting matches with long segments in common worked.
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I have also found this a more predictive method than overall cM. But is there a minimum amount of cM you would look for as well? That is, I have some matches that share one long segment over 20 cM, but not much more than that. Is that one segment itself significant without much more shared? In any event, in this case, as in most cases, we've not been able to find a connection anyway.
ReplyDeleteThere I haven't seen the same sort of pattern. I'm planning on writing up some successes (and failures) for finding connections with looking at largest segment--and I can take a look at total shared to see if it makes a difference.
DeleteI look forward to your analysis!
ReplyDeleteInteresting thoughts to think about in terms of DNA analysis - thanks for sharing
ReplyDeleteDave - 3C - 281 cM - This is far beyond the maximum for 3D (0-217cM in Shared DNA tool). Can you confirm this is not a mistake?
ReplyDeleteThis is not a mistake. I wrote about it here: https://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com/2017/08/a-relationship-outlier.html
DeleteI match my jewish full sibling at 2251cm, is that normal???
ReplyDeleteI am trying to estimate my relationship with this cousin:
ReplyDeletelargest segment 58.76cm, total 169cm; 12 segments. Against my brother she has largest 72.77cm, total 99cm, 4 segments. Her grandparents are first cousins and I believe I am related to both of them.
23andme predicts 3C. I have some reasons to think she's a 4C. How much weight should I give these large segments? Is this within reason for a 4C? How likely is it? We are all 100% Ashkenazi. Thanks.
Denise,
DeleteThe following may be helpful:
Denise,
The following may be helpful:
https://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com/2019/09/ashkenazic-shared-dna-survey-september.html